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Sen. Warren says the big banks that own Zelle aren't doing enough to protect users

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Millions of people use the payment service Zelle to send and receive money. But Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren says it is rife with fraud and theft. And she says big banks that own Zelle are not doing enough to protect users from scams. NPR's David Gura reports.

DAVID GURA, BYLINE: Banks market Zelle as a fast, safe and easy way to send and receive money. But Senator Elizabeth Warren takes issue with that. She spent six months investigating the service and criticized bank CEOs at a recent hearing.

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ELIZABETH WARREN: Zelle is fast. Zelle is easy. And they increase bank profit margins. But Zelle is not safe.

GURA: Warren found that in 2021, fraudulent transactions on Zelle totaled almost half a billion dollars. That's according to a new report she released. And she found banks had reimbursed customers less than half the money that was stolen through unauthorized payments on Zelle. While banks pay back customers for fraud, transactions they didn't authorize, there is no blanket policy for scams when bad actors convince Zelle users to transfer money. Bill Demchak, the CEO of PNC, addressed that distinction during his congressional testimony.

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BILL DEMCHAK: Scam is a different issue, and the Zelle Network and the owners are working to improve to get all customers' monies back.

GURA: At that recent hearing, Warren had a testy exchange with Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, about data on fraud complaints she'd asked for but hadn't gotten.

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WARREN: It's very simple data.

JAMIE DIMON: I promise you. By the end of the day today, you'll get it.

WARREN: Terrific. All right. We'll get it by the end of the day once nobody's here to talk about it.

GURA: In her report, Warren notes that almost two weeks later, she still hasn't gotten that information. In a statement, the banking industry says 99.9% of Zelle transactions have not involved reports of fraud or scams. And they argue Zelle is being unfairly singled out, given there is also fraud on its rivals, including PayPal and Venmo, which are not run by banks. David Gura, NPR News, New York. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

David Gura
Based in New York, David Gura is a correspondent on NPR's business desk. His stories are broadcast on NPR's newsmagazines, All Things Considered, Morning Edition and Weekend Edition, and he regularly guest hosts 1A, a co-production of NPR and WAMU.

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